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Eastern media, even when degenerate, carries some spark of Romanticism that idealizes the way things could or should be. Masculine men, feminine women, fighting for your friends, people, country, and beliefs. There are examples of exceptions as there are in all categorical statements, but by and large my peers and I went East to flee the soul degradation of the West.
If Western Media wants to start competing, Western Media is going to have to roll back on a bunch of subversion tropes that are pillars to our cinema and start getting real fucking cool real fuckin quick, otherwise I'm not interested.
All western media for white men follows an Icarus storytelling about flying to close to the sun and about how you're supposed to stay in your lane, not be the Hokage or Pirate King.
The quoted anons are discussing anime specifically, but it’s true of any Eastern style entertainment. Naturally, I agree with it entirely.
They tell all manner of stories, and you do not have to be Japanese or even Asian to relate to or enjoy those stories. Pic semi related.
I’d go a bit further even - you cannot even have any of those things via any other means!
In the western, soy based works, it is a given that “friends, people, country, and beliefs” do not exist, and this is either a given, or is even portrayed as desirable, with anyone seeking these traits viewed as a villain. In short, art imitates life, and like “art,” it is primarily used as a means of money laundering.
But it is the first two points - masculine men and feminine women that really trigger the NPCs!
According to western soy and subversion:
There's a trope where women act very rudely and borderline abusive towards male characters, and it's accepted. But any male character not acting like a doormat is coincidentally evil. Male confidence is depicted as creepy and bad behavior.
All females are arrogant and entitled, but any confidence from a man becomes arrogance and entitlement.
I still remember and laugh at the literally hundreds of triggered NPCs who seethed about the innkeeper scene. That wasn’t something intended to trigger the NPCs and gatekeep them out to preserve our hobbies - it just kind of happened that way. It was meant as a demonstration of dealing with noncombat challenges and proportionate response like a grown man should.
All that happened was that an innkeeper charged Gerulf considerably more than normal price, then tried to bullshit him when called on it, after which the innkeeper was talked down without any violence involved and there wasn’t any further conflict between them. In fact, that innkeeper got plenty of business out of the deal, both from him and from others once Gerulf became famous, and the other few based travelers started staying there for the celebrity appeal. But I digress.
But, according to the triggered NPCs, he should just let this guy steal the equivalent of thousands of dollars from him (it’s an isekai story, but the NPCs only think in Clown World terms, so that’s the current value of one ounce of gold in fiat currency). Alternately, he should both quit being naive, quit mocking Clown World for being naive, and should take a fucking local economics course for hours or days before buying anything.
Yes, this is very contradictory. Daily reminder that NPCs are not human and do not have souls. So while a real human will start with a goal and then analyze things based on if they move them towards or away from said goal, NPCs are backwards and so they can easily adopt such obvious contradictions without a hint of irony or self awareness.
Also, keep in mind at the time, he’s covered in blood, and that isn’t the reason he’s been charged more - they are no strangers to violence. But the same NPCs mocking him for being socially inept are claiming he should do something other than the thing he did first - take a bath. Presumably, this is because if you washed the filth off the NPCs, there wouldn’t be anything left…
Also, being a normal, healthy world, no one has any respect for weakness, so doing that would have made him a mark. (No one respects weakness in Clown World either, but they still idolize it.) Not long before this, he made some pickpockets targeting other travelers, but didn’t interfere with their operation. Suffice it to say, he’d have lost their respect and became their next target, and that would be one of the least severe consequences.
Anyone who is either overly passive or overly aggressive will have a bad time (the latter - attacking the innkeeper would have had far nastier consequences).
That’s the men. It gets even worse when you look at the women.
Like any other man from Clown World, Gerulf suffers the curse of low standards and is disappointed constantly regardless as females fail to meet those standards, generally due to the above being practiced as it is seen as “good” representation.
Meanwhile, he is impressed with the actual women for doing basic shit like performing routine tasks as part of their jobs without any drama and bullshit.
Naturally, the NPCs seethe that he expects females to be women just as he expects males to be men. As far as Earth goes, he is disappointed nearly every time in both cases. But males and men are invisible so no one cares about that, no one cares about all the soyboys getting memed on constantly, no one cares about all the other things PRO makes fun of (damn near everything, starting with Gerulf himself) in favor of seething about naming that thot.
Which brings me to my next point.
Harems.
Now, PRO is not a harem story. Gerulf wants loyalty, which really makes the NPCs and females seethe. Consequently, he has no interest in having sex with even the overwhelming majority of real women he interacts with, to say nothing of Team Thottit blasting off again!
Yet - and this is the important part - he still wants to interact with the women even though neither of them are interested in fucking the other. Compare that with your 3DPD which you don’t want to interact with even if you are fucking them. Compare that with your western soy, where it’s painfully obvious that even if they do have sex, they’d quit associating with each other within twenty four hours if his dick ever quit working for reasons I’ll get to it a moment. Because of this, it’s clear there is absolutely no contest or competition, because these Earth females have utterly failed to be women and take pride in doing so, thus fefails.
I mention harems because what invariably follows this realization and subsequent acknowledgement of the starvation of femininity of the non toxic variety is replacing the lack of quality with quantity. In essence, if one won’t do the job, perhaps two or five or twenty five will. In reality, you’re only heightening the dysfunction without addressing the core problem, and they might or might not realize it’s a false solution (Clown World is full of these). Curiously, these harem stories don’t trigger the NPCs that much.
Yes, some soyboy with a literal cuck fetish will spam NPC dialogue about how the notion that females would rather share an “alpha Chad” rather than have a “betabux Billy” all to herself is “incel speak,” but despite his virtue signaling and using the word that only NPCs say (she ain’t gonna fuck ya fam), they aren’t actually that bothered by all this, as all these male feminist types not only take a far dimmer view of females than even the most based of thot patrollers, but they are also rapey as fuck!
Well... Think about it.
When it comes to devoted "Male Feminists," at best, you're dealing with someone who's self-consciously decided to style their identity and system of personal morality around the problems of an identity group other than their own; a group who's interests often run directly counter to their own, in point of fact. At worst, you may be dealing with someone who's gone full-on "traitor" to their sex.
In either eventuality, you're self-evidently dealing with a person with a rather counter-intuitive way of looking at, and interacting with, life and the world in general. That's not the kind of thing a person does for no reason. They must be getting something out of it.
That leaves us with only a couple of possibilities:
A ) The "Wil Wheaton." The person is doing it in genuine good faith. In this case, they're likely rather neurotic. They may be misandrist, and possibly even self-loathing. Maybe they even have some sort of "Savior Complex" going on. The benefit they're getting is derived from fueling those complexes. This type of person is likely to be unstable and fragile, and may have other disordered behaviors and complexes. Some of those disordered behaviors and complexes may even make them potentially dangerous, or inclined to behave like a "creep," to others.
B ) The "Vaush." The person is doing it in bad faith. They're literally just a self-serving Machiavellian manipulator trying to "signal" whatever they think will best help them meet their goals. In this case, those goals are likely sexual in nature, given the target audience. They're basically a predatory "creep" by nature, and this particular ideological allegiance is simply the "camouflage" they've adopted to aid them in the hunt.
This is accurate for Clown World, though in healthy worlds like PRO the interests of men are not diametrically opposed to the interests of women or society as both those things exist.
The reason why the male feminists aren’t that bothered by harems is ultimately because those based thot patrollers take a dim view of females, but then portray actual women in a far more positive light than either they do or they believe.
In short, the NPC cannot see past the surface of the harem story, the NPC sees a bunch of whores being themselves, and isn’t that bothered by this as they consider both all females and all women whores, and then project that onto others.
The reality of harems is a little more complex than that, but not much.
The reality is, both the harem writers and readers are trying to fix the problem, but without understanding the problem, they cannot determine the solution.
Now, take one of the more famous soy based works. Literally every female character, even the aliens and the talking cat are one of the classic negative stereotypes turned up to eleven or twelve! More than one of them literally owes the male they’re mouthing off to their life or more, as they were personally betrayed by a female and would have died or been killed if he did not save them. Given all the Current Year soylitics, would anyone like to take a guess on how likely it is he is a male feminist? If you stated any number lower than one hundred twenty percent, I award you no points, and may the Gods have mercy on your soul!
And this is described as positive representation, by a female who has went on record in another thread asking why even the soyboys don’t particularly take the notion of females and family seriously, thus almost every protagonist being a male aged 18-35 who is single, not looking, and not interested. All without a hint of irony or self awareness, of course. Gonna need a mirror for that, or more likely, two.
Naturally, the same NPCs seethe about PRO for the same reasons. But once you see past the surface like a real human should, you realize that almost every woman in the entire story has a positive place, while the thots being named aren’t that common. Most of the villains - either the soyboys, or one of the other two factions are male. In other words, far more positive representation, despite the rampant misogyny!
And that’s what really makes them seethe, since as mentioned before, the women have to be interesting in ways other than base physical attraction, otherwise no one on the other side - either men or women is interested in even speaking to them.
In other words, both males and females are triggered by women, while men believe that women worth loving haven’t been invented yet.
You will never have a real woman! You have no backbone, you have no brain, you have no balls!
You are an emasculated male twisted by soy and subversion into a crude mockery of nature's perfection!
All the "validation" you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back, people mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, and your "friends" laugh at your ghoulish life behind closed doors! Sapients are utterly repulsed by you. Thousands of years of evolution have allowed women to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency.
Even soycattle who "pass" act uncanny and unnatural to a woman. Your speech patterns are a dead giveaway. And even if you start engaging favorably with a woman, she'll turn tail and bolt the second she gets a whiff of your diseased, infected programming!
You will never be happy! You wrench out a fake smile every single morning and tell yourself it's going to be okay, but deep inside, you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under its unbearable weight. Eventually, it'll become too much to bear - you'll buy a rope, tie a noose, put it around your neck, and dive into the cold abyss!
Your parents will find you relaxed and relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They'll bury you with a headstone marked with your Earth name, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a soyboy is buried there. Your body will decay and return to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton that is unmistakably subhuman. This is your fate! This is what you chose! There is no turning back!
Aside from being truly adorable shitposting - having a psychic fox wife has its perks, that was Masumi laying down the law on some generic, interchangeable NPC who fucked around and found out.
And that’s the reason why all this is relevant, since as far as Clown World goes, it isn’t.
As far as Clown World goes, men are already in an optimal position and anything else would be a bad trade at best. Of course, if you want there to be a future, then all this needs to be addressed for reasons that should be obvious. If you merely want quality entertainment, then such must also be addressed, as anyone with any sense will just ignore dysfunctional retards, going completely solo if they have to. Even many of the soy works realize this, but they will get triggered if you tell them why.
One other point that ties it all together.
I've also noticed that Western viewers are terminally emotionally stunted. Anime goes out of its way to make you feel things you didn't expect, while Western media has extremely narrow paths and endings you're supposed to conform to with only a little room for deviation within the pattern.
The West would never have produced Made in Abyss, for example. Firefly/Serenity only got made after Cowboy Bebop and Outlaw Star did. The Matrix only got made after Ghost in the Shell paved the way. We lag behind creatively and wait for safe harbor in other creatives' wakes. Probably due to Jewish and corporate corruption driving out anything interesting enough to be an uncertain commercial success.
This is the reason why I contrast between soy things and normal things, talk about triggered NPCs, etc. Because, even entirely ignoring the whole “women are the future of civilization” thing that they fixate on to the exclusion of all the other points because again, can’t see past the surface, the simple fact of the matter is that they are perpetually triggered. They’d still be such even if I were not intentionally triggering them, and my doing so gatekeeps them out, ensuring that this hobby won’t go the way of all the others (video games, D&D, many other book genres).
And they’d be triggered regardless because of that emotional stunting. PRO explores some very uncomfortable themes, TLB even more so, merely because both shine a mirror on Clown World.
Anything worth reading, watching, or otherwise engaging with is going to explore a wide range of themes. By contrast, the western slop is all this really narrow incestuous copy pasta.
LitRPG is all about a jeneric - that is, a generic character with a name starting with J that spams out constant slop while not really getting anywhere despite the story being six gorillion words and counting.
Regular fantasy all does the same everything is subjective constant POV shuffle slop where the characters get in each other’s way either intentionally or not at least as often as they help each other, despite allegedly being on the same side.
I don’t look at most scifi, because it breaks my suspension of disbelief that such a civilization could even reach the stars, much less that any respectable aliens would let them stay there. They belong in only two places - the dustbin, followed by those Spacer memoirs where they detail various failed civilizations so the successful ones can learn from their mistakes. It isn’t even worth keeping score - just bury that shit and be done with it!
